I do, but I heard one of the health expert in a press conference say the evidence that they reduce covid transmission in a meaningful way is sketchy, cos people fuck with their masks, their hair etc which cancels out the effectiveness. But I do cos it feels right.FuB wrote: ↑9 months agoOn another day, Sid, you'd be railing against a government introducing draconian measures.Sid wrote: ↑9 months agoNo right, selfish cunts are selfish cunts. But a basic function of a government is to counter people's selfishness and act. Like people get selfish all the time. But there's rules in place to stop selfish acts.FuB wrote: ↑9 months agohmmm...Sid wrote: ↑9 months agoBut the eat out to help out was botched. The study said it should have been 7 days a week, not 5, to stop places being packed out.
Some people are always gonna be selfish and dumb so the gov has to account for that. It's basic stuff like ordering enough tests, making test & trace mandatory or else every study / expert says it's pointless, stopping shops allowing people to buy 30 bog rolls etc. But they were disinterested at worst and hapless at best.
The Tories have treat the coronavirus crisis like a PR crisis. Shit like the 50m masks they ordered were unusable (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... e-used-nhs) they just ordered em to quieten the flak, so they can go in front of the cameras and say "we've spent 225m on PPE" to look like they're in control
Anyway coronavirus looks to be out of control again according to experts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tudy-shows
There is no "if you want a test, you can have one" setup here. If you want a test you have to be showing symptoms or pay for a private test (80 euros). Tracing here has always relied on people's memory... the app they came up with (without fucking it up completely like the UK) still didn't really happen because people decided privacy concerns were more important than giving a shit about other people (as i've said, it's FAR from perfect here too). However, tracing and testing here has relied upon a truly competent epidemiology and testing system. I don't know how "mandatory" it has been here, really... i suspect it's just relied upon the fact that people give a shit about their own health and there's still a catholic hangover of giving a shit about other people to a certain degree.
I do think you need to stop giving quite so much responsibility to the tories. That's a great fucking cop out that all the selfish cunts driving this epidemic will happily go with, mate. Can't ever be "MY" fault: it's the others, it's the government, it's the EU, it's immigrants... blah fucking blah... I'll still go down the shops without a mask because it's "my right".
Like during the panic buying, the gov just looked on and said well that's terrible as shops ran out of essentials. And yeah the selfish cunts are to blame. But the gov should have brought in a rule that said shops can only sell so many bog rolls per person. To not expect this is letting the gov off the hook.
Seems to me like you're falling a bit for the government spin of blaming various groups. Like now they're blaming young people for the recent outbreak even though it's been heavily linked to gov policy, before that it was immigrants, before that it was selfish poor BAME people being packed in to cramped houses etc. These narratives, often created round a table by a group of ministers like Cummings, are designed to deflect and distract.
This article while absolving individuals of blame (which I don't agree with) talks about behavioural science. It's interesting. Covid-idiots aren't so much to blame for the spread, rather poor people being forced back to work aka gov policy
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ment-greek
As for me falling for the government spin... I'm not aware of the government spin if there is any. Don't forget that i don't live in the UK. With regards to the clear indication that younger people are currently driving the increasing numbers, i know for a fact that the data support this in Italy. Since July, the median age for a positive covid test has gone down from 61 to 32 currently. There are suggestions, though, that this might just be down to more widespread testing and testing of people coming back into the country at airports, etc. One of the main issues with this pandemic is that it has always been being driven more by asymptomatic carriers than the knowingly unwell. That's why mask wearing is crucial.
I completely agree that all governments have a fundamental duty to protect their public and also to make it as easy as possible for the public to help themselves. Going on anecdotal evidence I've heard from friends and colleagues in the UK (from various different places there), it seems that ignoring of the mask-wearing rules in shops is rife and the concept of distancing has gone out of the window. These are limited observations and they are not first hand so i do appreciate that I could be way off the mark.
Out of interest, Sid. Do you wear a mask at all?
I wouldn't rail against these draconian measures cos while I don't agree with the authority of the gov issuing these demands, I do bow to the authority of the experts and the general consensus that says these measures are necessary - as well as other measures that the gov ignore, like how they've kept cafes and pubs open in Brum despite not allowing households to mix.
As for personal testimony I've not seen any evidence of the media or government claims people don't wear masks. Everywhere I've been everyone has had a mask on. I don't doubt it's not happening, but not on the scale the gov and media are making out.
The scale of increase in covid is such that it can't be explained by idiots not socially distancing on the odd weekend on a beach, or not wearing masks, it's something a lot bigger. It's policy, like the masses of people who've been forced back to work. As well as cramped living conditions (like were I lived in handsworth), overloaded services (like my doctors, can't get an appointment for shit) etc