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Nah it's cool FuB. Re the deep cleaning, this entails all staff being at home and the cleaners (local specialist outfit) coming in and effectively bleaching EVERYTHING. Any hard surfaces are disinfected and any carpeted areas are steam cleaned. Staff can't return to the office until at least 24 hours have elapsed. It's a fucking ball ache and ends up costing us a fair bit, not just the ££ spent on cleaners, PPE etc but also the down time in staff faffing about. My business sells advice and essentially we sell our time, so any down time is just a big opportunity cost to us. Think it costs around £250 each time.

What I have realised through all of this is that most people are pretty sensible, they think about what they are doing throughout their day and thinking of others. A handful of melts need a slap, they moan about the dangers of leaving their beds and coming into the office but then regale everyone about how long the queue was at McDonalds. Or what a pain it was to go Xmas shopping to one of the local mega-malls. I have been asked by HR to keep my mouth shut because my frank views aren't what these people want to hear.

Re providing kitchenette facilities, I've no idea. All I know is that we decided that the only communal areas to be available are the loos.
I am by no means an expert but i thought an employer needed to provide a means to make a hot drink and heat food if there is no canteen facility available, hence the question. I guess health and safety directives in a pandemic trump that sort of rule though!

I agree that the vast majority of people are being sensible and are understanding the need to make sacrifices from their very privileged lifestyles. The sad fact is that it really only takes a tiny proportion of total selfish cunts to undo all the good they are doing. The nature of infectious diseases is you only need ONE person to start a cascade.

I wish you'd aired your frank views more in this thread.
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My views might be a bit too frank even for this forum.
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fat maradona wrote:
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My views might be a bit too frank even for this forum.
Well you have to share them now!
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5 months ago

London declares a major incident as the hospitals can't cope

The numbers are over 1000 people per 100,000k now, and rising



It was this high in hull and the north for a month or so and the government didn't give a fuck, they were still telling everyone to go to work, furlough was 67% etc
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100k dead in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... dApp_Other

Gabriel Scally, a visiting professor of public health at the University of Bristol and a member of the Independent Sage group of experts, said “It is an astounding number of preventable deaths from one cause in one year, [an] absolutely astounding number. It’s a sign of a phenomenal failure of policy and practice in the face of this new and dangerous virus,” Scally said.

I feel we're just used to the culture of death now
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4 months ago

Fub, what do you know about the South African variant? Apparently it affects young people and kids more?

Also there was research done that showed the current vaccines might not work against it?
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Fub, what do you know about the South African variant? Apparently it affects young people and kids more?

Also there was research done that showed the current vaccines might not work against it?
I don't find any evidence that it affects young people and kids more... other than that it carries one of the same mutations in the UK (Kent) variant which scientists think might make them both more transmissible. The S.A variant has further mutations which may also lead to better transmissibility. I emphasised "think" there because i'm not aware of much concrete evidence that says these variants actually are more transmissible. It does all seem a lot of "it could be" that gets translated by unqualified journalists to "is". I realise the numbers in the UK are very high at present but that's just as easily explained by the utter mismanagement of the crisis by the government and a whole lot of selfish, ignorant people... but we've thrashed this out enough times and i don't want to revisit that hypothesis again.

As for the "research done"...

The paper that has got all the fuckwit press telling us we're all (more) doomed is this: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 8.427166v1 . It's a "pre-print" which means it has not been published and it has not been peer-reviewed. Expert reaction to that paper can be found here: https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... or-plasma/

As for the S.A variant itself, expert reaction to it can be found here: https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... n-variant/ - I'd pay particular attention to the last in the list from Prof. James Naismith where he cautions against doom-mongering. It's a shame the press evidently didn't.
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See now that's why I asked you, Fub. I knew you'd have the inside scoop. Thanks a lot. Also thanks for all the other times I'vs ask you questions that require long answers.

You're spot on about the media. I'm done getting worried about new strains cos like you say journalists are sensationalising stuff before they have the full facts.
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1 month ago

Fub, do you know if the vaccines work against the Indian variant? I've read it does and it doesn't
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Fub, do you know if the vaccines work against the Indian variant? I've read it does and it doesn't
It's a bit too early for any conclusive clinical data but i find just as many "scientists are confident" as "scientists are worried" articles.

In the end, all the vaccines are looking to help our immune system to recognise and attack the virus' spike protein. The concern is if there is enough of a significant change in the structure of the spike protein, our pre-programmed immune systems won't recognise it. It's obviously not beyond the realms of possibility but we should bear in mind that the spike protein's structure is also the thing that makes the virus able to enter human cells so it's just as possible that a significant change in the structure also makes the virus less effective as a pathogen.

Even if (when) this does happen, it won't be that vaccine manufacturers have to start from scratch again... in the same way they didn't have to start from scratch to produce current vaccines. They were already working on vaccines for coronaviruses and they just sped up the process by running aspects of it in parallel rather than sequentially. Of course, knobend anti-vaxxers are trying to suggest this was cutting corners, not testing, etc. but that's so far away from the truth it's quite insulting to the stellar work that was done.
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