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redzebs wrote:
Sid wrote:But the MPs that don't support him have no support from Labour voters anymore. Everybody hates em for their relentless bitchy whining smear campaign of the most popular Labour leader in decades. They're now seen as middle class careerist self interest anti democratic little spad fucking scum, which is exactly what they are.

Labour voters want Labour to be about Labour, not this middle class careerist job toss it haa become. The days of the blairites, the middle class careerists, the neoliberals, the right wingers, are done.
Well I agree with you there Sid, if you and pint are arguing that there could be a seismic shift and that people will vote for alternative labour candidates who back Corbyn then fair enough.

I just think it's like local elections where people use their votes to scare the shit out of those in charge and at the next election, you'll have too many traditional voters voting for the same punters they've voted for for the last 10+ years, better the devil you know etc.

So Corbyn might be admirable in some of his stances but he's not going to come close to ousting the Tories or uniting his party so again, is it really worth it to stick two fingers up at the other labour MPs?
Maybe so. But right a lot of people left Labour during the New Labour years when it was clear they were an anti working class party, full of middle class careerist war mongers, so they went to the Lib Dems, Greens, UKIP, other socialist parties. But now that Labour has a left wing leader whose main message is poverty, British poverty, they're coming back in their droves. I mean in 2 weeks alone he generated 4 mil for the party in new members.

On uniting the party... Unity will come when the new labour scum either fuck off or stop bitching like little fannies. The day Corbyn was reelected he said on stage that he'd wiped the slate clean, and called for unity. What happened next, Benn and the other Blairite vermin went straight to their mates in the media and started the slagging match again, saying 'oh god Labour won't be elected for 7000 years if we don't get rid of him'

There's lots of reasons why they're beings cunts like. But one is to make it look like he can't lead. They've gone through his private life and the best they had on him was some comments his ex wife made about him eating cold beans out of a tin. So now they're all tantrumming, so they can go "look at the chaos, he can't control the party let alone the country" while they throw their dinner at the wall. I mean the way to control em would be to kick em all out so they can start or join a neoliberal party. But then it'd be "Stalinist purge!"

If he wins the next election it will be a small miracle because he's had so many powerful institutions against him, from powerful gobshite mps, to the media who act as a conduit for anybody that wants to attack him and his supporters.
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Yeah, I didn't see it was fair, just that a snowball in hell has a better chance, and now that Brexit hasn't heralded the end of civilisation as many predicted, May will poll ok I reckon at the next election, whether she's your bag or not, she'll still do well imho.
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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Aye definitely. The middle class twats love her. In their eyes she's regained control of the tories, of politics, of education (this grammar school shite) for the middle classes from the upper class etonians who priced em out of their pads in London. So she'll do well if that lot love her because that lot are your journalists, academics, thinkers - all influencing public opinion.
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"Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don't need badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching' tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you."
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He's good him
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I caught most of his speech and then the end, heard them sing Jerusalem and thought maybe he's not a selfish cunt and is aiming for middle ground to stop the party falling apart.

Then nope, red hand ball bag shite and loads of fruits giving the salute, cringe fest.

But then they would have a Prime Minister who called for a minutes silence for IRA terrorists so they can keep him at the head of the party if it means they are unelectable for the next load of years. He just doesn't seem to grasp compromise or that you have to tone down a bit, that's being a grown up. He's still got that cnd picket line mentality and it ain't gonna fly with the public. Whether you like him or loathe him, he's not helping himself and he's just not going to get elected. Ever. Like ever. Like if May turns out to be a neo nazi and starts a war with Russia and raises taxes to 50% all round, he's still not going to get a whiff of being PM so I just don't get it.
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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Yeah but he's not ever going to convince a right winger like you though is he
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Sid wrote:Yeah but he's not ever going to convince a right winger like you though is he
I'm a lot more liberal than I used to be Sid, you call me a right winger but if a party I supported finished their conferences with goose stepping or a Nazi salute, they'd be getting binned right off!

I guarantee you if you polled the whole country, labour supporters included, at least 80% would say that red hand salute shite is not appropriate for a party that is supposed to be the legitimate opposition.
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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Sid wrote:Yeah but he's not ever going to convince a right winger like you though is he
I'm a lot more liberal than I used to be Sid, you call me a right winger but if a party I supported finished their conferences with goose stepping or a Nazi salute, they'd be getting binned right off!

I guarantee you if you polled the whole country, labour supporters included, at least 80% would say that red hand salute shite is not appropriate for a party that is supposed to be the legitimate opposition.
But if they just systematically murder poor people, disabled people via policy, you're fine with that. But goose stepping, god no. I shudder at the thought. I have respectable beliefs.
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redzebs wrote:
Sid wrote:Yeah but he's not ever going to convince a right winger like you though is he
I'm a lot more liberal than I used to be Sid, you call me a right winger but if a party I supported finished their conferences with goose stepping or a Nazi salute, they'd be getting binned right off!

I guarantee you if you polled the whole country, labour supporters included, at least 80% would say that red hand salute shite is not appropriate for a party that is supposed to be the legitimate opposition.
But if they just systematically murder poor people, disabled people via policy, you're fine with that. But goose stepping, god no. I shudder at the thought. I have respectable beliefs.

Did I say I was fine with any of that dickhead! You're such a knob, 5 years later and you still can't grasp the fact we don't have Tories or Labour over here, no wonder you hate schools, you must have been bottom of every class!
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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