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Here's a well researched and sourced article on creeping EU privatisation of healthcare https://corporateeurope.org/en/power-lo ... healthcare
Healthcare is a national competence, not the remit of the EU. Right? Yes and No. Rulings from the European Court of Justice, and the European Commission’s policies of recent years, mean that “Services delivered by national health systems are, as a rule, now considered as an economic activity”.1 For a long time, member states argued healthcare is not an economic activity, as most providers do not intend to make a profit.2 But its treatment as one means EU rules on the internal market (free movement of goods, persons, capital and services), public procurement and state aid, in principle apply to healthcare services. TheCommission’s 2011 directive on cross-border health care, partially based on internal market rules promised to expand the choice of patients in Europe.3 More fundamentally, it answers the question of whether healthcare should be publicly planned or subject to market forces.

According to academic Dr Christoph Hermann, the “public nature of healthcare provision in Europe has been challenged through a series of reforms that amount to what can best be described as the marketisation of health care.”5 The process of marketisation isn’t just the establishment of internal markets in health (ie domestically or via the EU single market); it includes outsourcing, public-private partnerships, competition between different providers, and the sale of public hospitals to private investors.
Give it 3 more years of EU membership and the NHS will be privatised. And if we leave, and have a tory government or a centrist one, it will still be privatised.
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marlon wrote:
2 months ago
We don't magically become a better country after we leave. Same for the EU. Leaving accomplishes nothing except stripping us of freedoms and advancing the cause of nationalism and the far right.

Well said that man :YMAPPLAUSE: - and in my mind is a strong reason for staying in and fighting to make both the EU and the UK better places.
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1 month ago

Boris confirmed.

At least the UK has already thrown away any dignity it had beforehand
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Jesus wept..... Boris???
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Britain's 20th PM from Eton. Viva democracy.
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FuB wrote:
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Boris confirmed.

At least the UK has already thrown away any dignity it had beforehand
Think the imperialist colonial empire did that tbf
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3 years ago on here a number of us discussed this very day and knew then we'd be deep in the shit when this day arrived. We're like the slowest boiled frogs ever. Boris has his hand on the temperature knob now. I remember watching this twat on HIGNFY decades ago and laughing at the thought of him being a politician, he was funny but I was laughing at him, not with him.

....and straight away he's facing a crisis with Iran!
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Sid wrote:
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Here's a well researched and sourced article on creeping EU privatisation of healthcare https://corporateeurope.org/en/power-lo ... healthcare
Healthcare is a national competence, not the remit of the EU. Right? Yes and No. Rulings from the European Court of Justice, and the European Commission’s policies of recent years, mean that “Services delivered by national health systems are, as a rule, now considered as an economic activity”.1 For a long time, member states argued healthcare is not an economic activity, as most providers do not intend to make a profit.2 But its treatment as one means EU rules on the internal market (free movement of goods, persons, capital and services), public procurement and state aid, in principle apply to healthcare services. TheCommission’s 2011 directive on cross-border health care, partially based on internal market rules promised to expand the choice of patients in Europe.3 More fundamentally, it answers the question of whether healthcare should be publicly planned or subject to market forces.

According to academic Dr Christoph Hermann, the “public nature of healthcare provision in Europe has been challenged through a series of reforms that amount to what can best be described as the marketisation of health care.”5 The process of marketisation isn’t just the establishment of internal markets in health (ie domestically or via the EU single market); it includes outsourcing, public-private partnerships, competition between different providers, and the sale of public hospitals to private investors.
Give it 3 more years of EU membership and the NHS will be privatised. And if we leave, and have a tory government or a centrist one, it will still be privatised.

The labour/corbyn vision for brexit is to stay in the single market/customs union, so if the EU were to privatise the NHS, it would also happen under a Corbyn government - where we wouldn't have a veto, or the 2nd largest number of MEPs, or Corbyn on the European council, or his ministers in the council of the eu, or a commissioner on the european commi
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1 month ago

Hopefully we'll have an election soon. And if parliament can stop no deal, I suppose very soon.
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http://britainelects.com/2019/07/19/bor ... delivered/

Some interesting polling about what an election would look like if held before or after brexit is delivered. The only changes they show is a flip between the brexit party and the tories. Lab and lib dem support is unchanged. Not sure how labour rebuild from here - they got ~40% last time by uniting the centre and left around fears of a massive tory majority and mostly ignoring brexit.
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