I thought you'd agree, that's why I stopped short at calling you a tory that believes in privatisation because no decent person wouldFuB wrote: ↑5 months ago<chopped some bits for brevity>
Yeah, ok. I do broadly agree with you on most of that. There's always the possibility that legislation isn't created with the intention of doing what people manage to do with it. You levelled "naivety" on me earlier and i'll also have to take that on the chin because I suffer from this general wish to not see the worst in everyone. I appreciate that it's naïve but all this cynicism is just making me feel tired and depressed.Sid wrote: ↑5 months agoThen why are EU countries privatising the fuck out of everything? Why is Macron selling off france to the highest bidders and his mates like Thatcher did? Once you change that bit of legislation that lets private companies in, they take the lot - the water, communications, healthcare, transport. No one but the most naive are daft enough to think the neolibs are not going to sell off the NHS in its entirity, and replace it with private healthcare like in america. The only committment they've ever given is that treatment will be "free at the point of service"... yeah, because your bill is in the post.FuB wrote: ↑5 months ago
Again, I think you are missing the point of the legislation. It doesn't seem to me that it is pushing for privatisation INSTEAD OF a public-owned service. Just making sure that there are opportunities to compete with one. The privatisation of the railways in the UK is the former whereas the model in Italy is not. They just let a private company run a competing, similar service on the same routes. It's the consumer's choice whether they want to support that and, given both services seem to be running ok and generally on time, it would suggest that there is a demand for both. As I say, i almost always use the state-owned services and I want them to persist. They don't appear to be having a problem doing so and, if someone wants to pay more for a premium, private service that doesn't impede or damage the public one (and that's a fucking key point!), then I don't have an issue with it.
If all this makes me a tory or a liberal and therefore someone who you no longer have any respect for then I'll just have to suck that up. Sorry.
You're just on dodgy ground if you reject privatisation / profiteering off public services in the UK but not in the EU
The question isn't whether that is right or wrong - it's wrong. It's more how can it be changed within the EU when you have so many neolib capitalist states like germany and france all pushing in the same direction. Not only would it challenge the founding principles of the EU but like Varoufakis said when he tried to negotiate with them in Syriza, "the Eu don't negotiate". In meetings with finance ministers he said they absolutely will not talk about finance. It's their way of the highway, which is why he quit. But then he's also an EU reformist. I've just not heard his arguments for reforming it.
Anyway, I think my point is that you can't necessarily blame the legislation nor, in the odd case, those who make it for the evils it, in turn, allows for. I'll caveat that with the obvious fact that we're long past the point of putting people in the position to create legislation with a cynical intention... so, sadly, you're more than likely right. I just wish you weren't.
Anyway in other news May refuses to rule out resigning if the EU demand a longer extension than june, which looks likely