Sid wrote: Alfonso Bedoya wrote:
Sid wrote:But they've worked everywhere else, and won him everything
This is getting a bit England. First you're scepitcal of the new manager's ideas, and you end up making him change them to what popular consensus considers correct. Then, when the team is still shit and you've been proven wrong, you blame trainnig methods, the umbrella, how strict he is, all manner of bullshit
You end up with nowhere to go until you realise... you're part of the problem, you're wanting something you can't have
Capello is a great manager but England were shit under him and his rigid 442. Why did he play a rigid shite 442, was it because he was bowing to the English/FA demands, or was the rigid 442 his idea, and that was the reason he got him the job because it's what we/the FA wanted. It's one or the other. Either way, it got him sacked, because it turns out we didn't want that. Well we do, but we want it to work like it did in 1966... but that's something you can't have
If Van Gaal isn't the man then we got it wrong again
So where do we go from there
I mean if he can't do it, with his european cups, numerous leagues, huge respect in the game... who can
Listen to yourself Sid... you make it sound like Van Gall was doing just fine until he decided to accommodate the whims of fickle fans... he's had a few decent results, scattered around the season... but let's not lose sight of the SUPPOSED world class players who might have had a hand in that...
But by far, the season has been an exercise in utter frustration... we're not just dropping points to rivals... we're getting our pants pulled down on regular basis by bottom dwellers... not one offs Sid... take a hard look at the whole season and count up the embarrassing results...
You talk about Van Galls reputation/experience... hasn't counted for much, has it??? Beaten twice by Swansea... fuck sake, and then you make the comparison to England... as if England can boast the likes of our attacking talent, that Van Gall doesn't seem to know what to do with...
Defend him if you like... it sure as fuck isn't the fans fault we're failing...
Nah it is the fans fault as well. It's yours and mine, as well as Gaal's
The teams we've put out in the last couple of games are much less Gaal's philosophy, and much more the United/common sense philosophy. It's Fergie/Meulensteen's approach of creating one v ones, quicker football, width etc.
It's not Gaal's shorter pasing game, recycling of possession, suffocation of the opposition, complete control (aka the Hull game, Gaal's favourite game)
So the team you see now, and the approach is heavily fan influenced - and it's still shit, so you have to take some of the blame
But the thing is if you appoint of a manager with a clear philosophy, you have to stick it. And Gaal isn't. He's bodging, he's bowing to popular opinion. Rodgers made Liverpool play through it. They were shite in their first season, and scousers were outraged and emotional, like you are. But he rode it out. Same with Guardiola at Bayern when they were emotional and nasty mocking his bald head & jumpers. Whereas Gaal has dropped his possession approach, the 3 at the back, Rooney in midfield - all the things he thinks are good, and given the fans exactly what they want
I can only think in summer, if he's still here, he'll buy more pieces of the puzzle and we'll play more his way next season. And then, like I said a bit ago, we'll see what happens because a lot of fans didn't enjoy the Hull game, they booed and jeered at 0-0, 1-0 and 2-0. They didn't like the football that Gaal loved. But that's a conversation for a later date - if the cunt's still here
But Sid... Van Gall had the freedom... he had the chance to do it his way... he didn't have a full preseason, but he had enough to make a start... he spent £150million... and he's got very little to show for it... the thing is, he's had few good results, and it's from those that you expect to see progress... but we haven't seen progress... you say he's changed his plans to accommodate the fans... the only thing I can see, is he put Rooney up front, and started playing Herrera, which I think most would agree should have been a given anyway, and looks to have been proven right... as far as formations and style of play, that's not an issue if it works... it hasn't worked... so Van Gall has changed it up some, and it still hasn't worked... you're right in that, he needs to find a plan he wants, and then stick to it... but then, he's got to make it work... but whatever formation/style/team selection, he's got get them playing like a unit, not a collection of misfits... it always brings up the same question... what the fuck does he have our attacking players work on in training???, because they don't look like they've ever met... and that's got nowt to do with formations... you put Rooney, Van Persie, Di Maria, Mata, Falcao, in a group, and at their level/age/experience, you should be able to expect some clever, intricate, accurate, inventive football... anywhere, any time...
The criticism of Mopes was, he inherited a title winning team, and dropped us into 7th... well, Van Gall was given a fortune to spend, and so far it looks like a lot of money wasted... he had another window to make changes and he passed... for better or worse, this, is Van Galls team... if they're not playing the way he wants, or if what he wants isn't working, then it's all down to him to fix it...