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Missed the game. By the sounds of it, the football was a bit better than it has been until they got their second, at which point we were absolutely terrible. McNair poor, van Persie and Fellaini terrible seems to be the concensus? Haven't seen many complaining about Jones Rojo today - assume they did alright?

How bad was di Maria really? He got an assist, created 5 chances. After he went off we only had one shot from way out which was blocked. Doesn't seem like he was the problem. Didn't watch the game though, and I haven't seen people be more specific than 'he was terrible' so I'm curious.
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Alfonso Bedoya wrote:
Sid wrote:But they've worked everywhere else, and won him everything

This is getting a bit England. First you're scepitcal of the new manager's ideas, and you end up making him change them to what popular consensus considers correct. Then, when the team is still shit and you've been proven wrong, you blame trainnig methods, the umbrella, how strict he is, all manner of bullshit

You end up with nowhere to go until you realise... you're part of the problem, you're wanting something you can't have

Capello is a great manager but England were shit under him and his rigid 442. Why did he play a rigid shite 442, was it because he was bowing to the English/FA demands, or was the rigid 442 his idea, and that was the reason he got him the job because it's what we/the FA wanted. It's one or the other. Either way, it got him sacked, because it turns out we didn't want that. Well we do, but we want it to work like it did in 1966... but that's something you can't have

If Van Gaal isn't the man then we got it wrong again

So where do we go from there

I mean if he can't do it, with his european cups, numerous leagues, huge respect in the game... who can
Listen to yourself Sid... you make it sound like Van Gall was doing just fine until he decided to accommodate the whims of fickle fans... he's had a few decent results, scattered around the season... but let's not lose sight of the SUPPOSED world class players who might have had a hand in that...

But by far, the season has been an exercise in utter frustration... we're not just dropping points to rivals... we're getting our pants pulled down on regular basis by bottom dwellers... not one offs Sid... take a hard look at the whole season and count up the embarrassing results...

You talk about Van Galls reputation/experience... hasn't counted for much, has it??? Beaten twice by Swansea... fuck sake, and then you make the comparison to England... as if England can boast the likes of our attacking talent, that Van Gall doesn't seem to know what to do with...

Defend him if you like... it sure as fuck isn't the fans fault we're failing...
Nah it is the fans fault as well. It's yours and mine, as well as Gaal's

The teams we've put out in the last couple of games are much less Gaal's philosophy, and much more the United/common sense philosophy. It's Fergie/Meulensteen's approach of creating one v ones, quicker football, width etc.

It's not Gaal's shorter pasing game, recycling of possession, suffocation of the opposition, complete control (aka the Hull game, Gaal's favourite game)

So the team you see now, and the approach is heavily fan influenced - and it's still shit, so you have to take some of the blame

But the thing is if you appoint of a manager with a clear philosophy, you have to stick it. And Gaal isn't. He's bodging, he's bowing to popular opinion. Rodgers made Liverpool play through it. They were shite in their first season, and scousers were outraged and emotional, like you are. But he rode it out. Same with Guardiola at Bayern when they were emotional and nasty mocking his bald head & jumpers. Whereas Gaal has dropped his possession approach, the 3 at the back, Rooney in midfield - all the things he thinks are good, and given the fans exactly what they want

I can only think in summer, if he's still here, he'll buy more pieces of the puzzle and we'll play more his way next season. And then, like I said a bit ago, we'll see what happens because a lot of fans didn't enjoy the Hull game, they booed and jeered at 0-0, 1-0 and 2-0. They didn't like the football that Gaal loved. But that's a conversation for a later date - if the cunt's still here
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Why is it the fans fault sid? Is it because they wanted midfielders to play in midfield and forwards to play as forwards? If you'd been watching the match you'll know Rooney and Herrera were two of our better players today.

Everyone used to say LVG has balls of brass when he subbed Krul just for the penalty shootout in the worldcup. Where did those balls go now?
Name one top manager who changes their fucking formation for the crowd. You know what the great managers do they convince fans of their ideas with performances and results. If LVG really changes his formations and team selections to the whims of the fans he is just a clueless fuck looking for an excuse for his lack of vision.
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madmax wrote:Why is it the fans fault sid? Is it because they wanted midfielders to play in midfield and forwards to play as forwards? If you'd been watching the match you'll know Rooney and Herrera were two of our better players today.

Everyone used to say LVG has balls of brass when he subbed Krul just for the penalty shootout in the worldcup. Where did those balls go now?
Name one top manager who changes their fucking formation for the crowd. You know what the great managers do they convince fans of their ideas with performances and results. If LVG really changes his formations and team selections to the whims of the fans he is just a clueless fuck looking for an excuse for his lack of vision.
Eh, to be fair Van Gaal has seemed like a pretty ballsy manager in the past, but who knows what the dynamics are now in this job? It's a last big massive payday for him isn't it. If his boss, Woodbloodturd, goes and drops £20M on a crocked Falcao for a single season, is he going to kick up a big fight? Louis ten years ago might have. This Louis is two years from retirement, and I'm pretty sure that I read that his retirement fund was obliterated in some of the scams that blew up in the past few years. The reality is obvious. I think he's a good manager, but he needs the money, and he's working for a pack of gobshites who know nothing about the business but love to talk tough and write big cheques. They're taken to the cleaners by every club they do business with, why shouldn't Van Gaal get in on the action?
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marlon wrote:Missed the game. By the sounds of it, the football was a bit better than it has been until they got their second, at which point we were absolutely terrible. McNair poor, van Persie and Fellaini terrible seems to be the concensus? Haven't seen many complaining about Jones Rojo today - assume they did alright?

How bad was di Maria really? He got an assist, created 5 chances. After he went off we only had one shot from way out which was blocked. Doesn't seem like he was the problem. Didn't watch the game though, and I haven't seen people be more specific than 'he was terrible' so I'm curious.
RVPs touch was awful and he was anonymous, ADM did fuck all, was hitting the first man on a cross, couldn't make simple passes, did nothing.
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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marlon wrote:Missed the game. By the sounds of it, the football was a bit better than it has been until they got their second, at which point we were absolutely terrible. McNair poor, van Persie and Fellaini terrible seems to be the concensus? Haven't seen many complaining about Jones Rojo today - assume they did alright?

How bad was di Maria really? He got an assist, created 5 chances. After he went off we only had one shot from way out which was blocked. Doesn't seem like he was the problem. Didn't watch the game though, and I haven't seen people be more specific than 'he was terrible' so I'm curious.
Fellaini didn't score but he was our most dangerous attacker (relatively) all game. He still didn't have a good game though.
He won numerous headers, but they weren't attempts at goal, but lay offs to other forwards.
RVP was totally useless.
Rooney was good at his passing - that's enough for the forum here to think he did well but I think he was shit. He played up front and didn't score, nor did he even have a half chance all game.
Di Maria was wasteful.
Mata came on and was anonymous.
Valencia and Young made a positive difference over McNair and Shaw.
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Cheers
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'benefit of hindsight', but I wonder if we made a mistake in rushing to sign LVG while he was fully distracted by the World Cup? Under normal circumstances he would have been far more engaged in decisions about building the squad during last summer rather than picking up the pieces after deals had been done.
Don't read this as a downer on LVG - he looked like a good choice at the time, but we might now be seeing the unintended consequences of his preoccupation with the WC at the time.
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Where the fuck is Rafael? His cheekbone can't be that bad if he's playing for the reserves. And van Gaal keeps saying Carrick's the only injured player. He's our only natural RB ffs.
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marlon wrote:Cheers
Hey, Marlon. Just wanted to add what Dozer conveniently seems to have omitted in his summary.

Fellaini didn't just "not have a good game", he had a shocker. He was completely useless at number 10, he just won a few headers up front and that's it. I don't think he managed to create a single chance for our attackers...

He did commit a shit load of fouls too, especially after they made it 2-1, which cost us quite a lot of relative counter attack chances.

Oh and let's not forget how many times he gave the ball away in midfield, including when they scored their second. ;)
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