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to be fair, he's only been sacked once from Chelsea and that's hardly an exclusive club
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Sid wrote:How do we solve the shit negative football?

Get Mourinho in, it's fucking obvious

If there's one man known for free flowing dynamic football it's the man who was sacked from Chelsea
I know how we can stop this possession based bollocks too...get guardiola in as his sides are renowned for being direct and move the ball forward quickly
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You know what I'm going to elaborate a bit...problem with Utd fans is this perception that were entitled to win every game and win the league every year....we rightly take the piss out of the dippers for that attitude...were turning into that.....we're going down the same route...spoils bastards

Stick with van gaal...his record speaks for itself and whenever pep has followed his he's had great success picking up on van gals infrastructure...long term barca and Bayern ain't doing bad are they
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bman2 wrote:OK people are going to say I'm crazy and jump on me for this, but I wonder if we aren't being too quick to get on Van Gaal's back. Don't get me wrong, when I'm watching the matches I'm increasingly furious, or worse just bored, but after a couple of days I'm inclined to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also was lucky enough not to be able to watch yesterday's match. So I'm not totally convinced that I actually believe all this, but for the sake of trying to look at the other side of the argument:

1. We are in the middle of a massive change in the "playing staff". A whole generation of winners retired at more or less the same time, and I think most of us agree that there wasn't a very convincing effort to replace them before van Gaal took over. Most would also agree that a lot of dross needed to be cleared out. So our squad is thin at the moment, but you could argue that's a natural result of being in the middle of creating an entirely new squad from a combination of new recruits and promoted youngsters. People talk about the money spent, but our net spend is not massive compared to the other top clubs. City have spent more than us, in net terms, the past couple of seasons, and in theory they're only trying to put the finishing touches on a complete squad, not start from the ground up.
2. Promising indications that van Gaal's personnel choices will bear fruit: we've obviously got some promising young attackers now, and he's done well integrating young players from the academy. Maybe they won't all make, but they're getting their shot. We know he wanted to sign the likes of Muller, Marquinhos, Ramos etc., so he obviously does not yet have the team he wants. There's a good chance that a couple of high quality additions would really make a big difference to our side.
3. Building a stable platform is the sensible way to go for durable success. "Defence first" has been the basis of all sustained success in the big European leagues and the CL for over a decade now. Look at Liverpool under Rodgers -- they should have won the league with Suarez, but their defending was rubbish and instead they've yo-yoed up and down the league the past few seasons. The attacking unit is fickle -- you are very dependent on the form and fitness of a small number of special players. And it's obvious that our attacking unit is still in the process of being finished -- Rooney is likely on the way out, we have promising young players still developing, and probably need a signing or two.
4. Our results were largely OK until recently -- van Gaal bowing to pressure to score more goals has seen us drop from being a goal away from the top of the league to risking falling out of the CL spots. We're better off letting him do his thing than trying to make him dance to a tune he's not comfortable with.

As I said, don't get me wrong, the inadequacies of our play is obvious to me like everyone else. But when I'm feeling calmer, I can see the logic in saying he should get at least two full seasons to show us what he's doing, especially since he did have us almost at the top of the league when we lost patience with him. I hate the idea of us getting into a managerial carousel situation, always chasing the short term, look at what it's done for Chelsea.

Fucking hell, did you dictate that, and have some blonde type it up for you while you rogered her from the rear, that has to be post of the week :ymapplause:

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redzebs wrote:
Mumford wrote:
bman2 wrote:OK people are going to say I'm crazy and jump on me for this, but I wonder if we aren't being too quick to get on Van Gaal's back. Don't get me wrong, when I'm watching the matches I'm increasingly furious, or worse just bored, but after a couple of days I'm inclined to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also was lucky enough not to be able to watch yesterday's match. So I'm not totally convinced that I actually believe all this, but for the sake of trying to look at the other side of the argument:

1. We are in the middle of a massive change in the "playing staff". A whole generation of winners retired at more or less the same time, and I think most of us agree that there wasn't a very convincing effort to replace them before van Gaal took over. Most would also agree that a lot of dross needed to be cleared out. So our squad is thin at the moment, but you could argue that's a natural result of being in the middle of creating an entirely new squad from a combination of new recruits and promoted youngsters. People talk about the money spent, but our net spend is not massive compared to the other top clubs. City have spent more than us, in net terms, the past couple of seasons, and in theory they're only trying to put the finishing touches on a complete squad, not start from the ground up.
2. Promising indications that van Gaal's personnel choices will bear fruit: we've obviously got some promising young attackers now, and he's done well integrating young players from the academy. Maybe they won't all make, but they're getting their shot. We know he wanted to sign the likes of Muller, Marquinhos, Ramos etc., so he obviously does not yet have the team he wants. There's a good chance that a couple of high quality additions would really make a big difference to our side.
3. Building a stable platform is the sensible way to go for durable success. "Defence first" has been the basis of all sustained success in the big European leagues and the CL for over a decade now. Look at Liverpool under Rodgers -- they should have won the league with Suarez, but their defending was rubbish and instead they've yo-yoed up and down the league the past few seasons. The attacking unit is fickle -- you are very dependent on the form and fitness of a small number of special players. And it's obvious that our attacking unit is still in the process of being finished -- Rooney is likely on the way out, we have promising young players still developing, and probably need a signing or two.
4. Our results were largely OK until recently -- van Gaal bowing to pressure to score more goals has seen us drop from being a goal away from the top of the league to risking falling out of the CL spots. We're better off letting him do his thing than trying to make him dance to a tune he's not comfortable with.

As I said, don't get me wrong, the inadequacies of our play is obvious to me like everyone else. But when I'm feeling calmer, I can see the logic in saying he should get at least two full seasons to show us what he's doing, especially since he did have us almost at the top of the league when we lost patience with him. I hate the idea of us getting into a managerial carousel situation, always chasing the short term, look at what it's done for Chelsea.

Fucking hell, did you dictate that, and have some blonde type it up for you while you rogered her from the rear, that has to be post of the week :ymapplause:

It's called a keyboard, a brain and 10 minutes
come on Zebs, surely you need to be shit hot admin and have a workaholic nature to come up with that sort of thing?
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captainhormone wrote:You know what I'm going to elaborate a bit...problem with Utd fans is this perception that were entitled to win every game and win the league every year....we rightly take the piss out of the dippers for that attitude...were turning into that.....we're going down the same route...spoils bastards

Stick with van gaal...his record speaks for itself and whenever pep has followed his he's had great success picking up on van gals infrastructure...long term barca and Bayern ain't doing bad are they

Nah, they are entitled to see their team take risks, entertain, get you off your seat, LVG is not doing that, it's not to say whose philosophy or history or whatever is right and whose is wrong, it just seems incompatible and we've had long enough, thanks Louie for shifting some shite, thanks for signing off on a few decent buys but you are not going to change and you are leaving next year anyway, you've said if you don't think the players and fans aren't happy, you'll walk, you'll not change your principles, fair play and it's not about the money so, personally, all the best and get to stepping.
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redzebs wrote:
captainhormone wrote:You know what I'm going to elaborate a bit...problem with Utd fans is this perception that were entitled to win every game and win the league every year....we rightly take the piss out of the dippers for that attitude...were turning into that.....we're going down the same route...spoils bastards

Stick with van gaal...his record speaks for itself and whenever pep has followed his he's had great success picking up on van gals infrastructure...long term barca and Bayern ain't doing bad are they

Nah, they are entitled to see their team take risks, entertain, get you off your seat, LVG is not doing that, it's not to say whose philosophy or history or whatever is right and whose is wrong, it just seems incompatible and we've had long enough, thanks Louie for shifting some shite, thanks for signing off on a few decent buys but you are not going to change and you are leaving next year anyway, you've said if you don't think the players and fans aren't happy, you'll walk, you'll not change your principles, fair play and it's not about the money so, personally, all the best and get to stepping.
I don't think I've ever felt we were entitled to win. I've certainly seen us lose a good few times under Ferguson and more often with Atkinson. I remember being pretty pissed off if we lost under Ferguson because I got used to us winning a lot but I don't ever think I felt some sort of entitlement to win. I don't get so pissed off now when we lose because I've sort of become resigned to it a bit and it's that feeling that is really hard to take. I don't expect to win (don't think I ever really did) but I never ever thought I'd start almost expecting to lose.
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FuB wrote:
redzebs wrote:
Mumford wrote:
bman2 wrote:OK people are going to say I'm crazy and jump on me for this, but I wonder if we aren't being too quick to get on Van Gaal's back. Don't get me wrong, when I'm watching the matches I'm increasingly furious, or worse just bored, but after a couple of days I'm inclined to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also was lucky enough not to be able to watch yesterday's match. So I'm not totally convinced that I actually believe all this, but for the sake of trying to look at the other side of the argument:

1. We are in the middle of a massive change in the "playing staff". A whole generation of winners retired at more or less the same time, and I think most of us agree that there wasn't a very convincing effort to replace them before van Gaal took over. Most would also agree that a lot of dross needed to be cleared out. So our squad is thin at the moment, but you could argue that's a natural result of being in the middle of creating an entirely new squad from a combination of new recruits and promoted youngsters. People talk about the money spent, but our net spend is not massive compared to the other top clubs. City have spent more than us, in net terms, the past couple of seasons, and in theory they're only trying to put the finishing touches on a complete squad, not start from the ground up.
2. Promising indications that van Gaal's personnel choices will bear fruit: we've obviously got some promising young attackers now, and he's done well integrating young players from the academy. Maybe they won't all make, but they're getting their shot. We know he wanted to sign the likes of Muller, Marquinhos, Ramos etc., so he obviously does not yet have the team he wants. There's a good chance that a couple of high quality additions would really make a big difference to our side.
3. Building a stable platform is the sensible way to go for durable success. "Defence first" has been the basis of all sustained success in the big European leagues and the CL for over a decade now. Look at Liverpool under Rodgers -- they should have won the league with Suarez, but their defending was rubbish and instead they've yo-yoed up and down the league the past few seasons. The attacking unit is fickle -- you are very dependent on the form and fitness of a small number of special players. And it's obvious that our attacking unit is still in the process of being finished -- Rooney is likely on the way out, we have promising young players still developing, and probably need a signing or two.
4. Our results were largely OK until recently -- van Gaal bowing to pressure to score more goals has seen us drop from being a goal away from the top of the league to risking falling out of the CL spots. We're better off letting him do his thing than trying to make him dance to a tune he's not comfortable with.

As I said, don't get me wrong, the inadequacies of our play is obvious to me like everyone else. But when I'm feeling calmer, I can see the logic in saying he should get at least two full seasons to show us what he's doing, especially since he did have us almost at the top of the league when we lost patience with him. I hate the idea of us getting into a managerial carousel situation, always chasing the short term, look at what it's done for Chelsea.

Fucking hell, did you dictate that, and have some blonde type it up for you while you rogered her from the rear, that has to be post of the week :ymapplause:

It's called a keyboard, a brain and 10 minutes
come on Zebs, surely you need to be shit hot admin and have a workaholic nature to come up with that sort of thing?

I can neither confirm or deny any of that as my family might be in anonymous
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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redzebs wrote:
FuB wrote:
redzebs wrote:
Mumford wrote:
bman2 wrote:OK people are going to say I'm crazy and jump on me for this, but I wonder if we aren't being too quick to get on Van Gaal's back. Don't get me wrong, when I'm watching the matches I'm increasingly furious, or worse just bored, but after a couple of days I'm inclined to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also was lucky enough not to be able to watch yesterday's match. So I'm not totally convinced that I actually believe all this, but for the sake of trying to look at the other side of the argument:

1. We are in the middle of a massive change in the "playing staff". A whole generation of winners retired at more or less the same time, and I think most of us agree that there wasn't a very convincing effort to replace them before van Gaal took over. Most would also agree that a lot of dross needed to be cleared out. So our squad is thin at the moment, but you could argue that's a natural result of being in the middle of creating an entirely new squad from a combination of new recruits and promoted youngsters. People talk about the money spent, but our net spend is not massive compared to the other top clubs. City have spent more than us, in net terms, the past couple of seasons, and in theory they're only trying to put the finishing touches on a complete squad, not start from the ground up.
2. Promising indications that van Gaal's personnel choices will bear fruit: we've obviously got some promising young attackers now, and he's done well integrating young players from the academy. Maybe they won't all make, but they're getting their shot. We know he wanted to sign the likes of Muller, Marquinhos, Ramos etc., so he obviously does not yet have the team he wants. There's a good chance that a couple of high quality additions would really make a big difference to our side.
3. Building a stable platform is the sensible way to go for durable success. "Defence first" has been the basis of all sustained success in the big European leagues and the CL for over a decade now. Look at Liverpool under Rodgers -- they should have won the league with Suarez, but their defending was rubbish and instead they've yo-yoed up and down the league the past few seasons. The attacking unit is fickle -- you are very dependent on the form and fitness of a small number of special players. And it's obvious that our attacking unit is still in the process of being finished -- Rooney is likely on the way out, we have promising young players still developing, and probably need a signing or two.
4. Our results were largely OK until recently -- van Gaal bowing to pressure to score more goals has seen us drop from being a goal away from the top of the league to risking falling out of the CL spots. We're better off letting him do his thing than trying to make him dance to a tune he's not comfortable with.

As I said, don't get me wrong, the inadequacies of our play is obvious to me like everyone else. But when I'm feeling calmer, I can see the logic in saying he should get at least two full seasons to show us what he's doing, especially since he did have us almost at the top of the league when we lost patience with him. I hate the idea of us getting into a managerial carousel situation, always chasing the short term, look at what it's done for Chelsea.

Fucking hell, did you dictate that, and have some blonde type it up for you while you rogered her from the rear, that has to be post of the week :ymapplause:

It's called a keyboard, a brain and 10 minutes
come on Zebs, surely you need to be shit hot admin and have a workaholic nature to come up with that sort of thing?

I can neither confirm or deny any of that as my family might be in anonymous
ok... mums... the word
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