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Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:12 pm
by Sid
marlon wrote:
1 year ago
His press was crap, teams ran straight though us.
No it wasn't, we got the ball back all the time, we just didn't do anything with it, that was the problem

If we're going to get back in the top 4 we have to press

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:20 pm
by Edfuckingwoodward
Didn't Pep model a lot of his coaching philosophy on Van Gaal?

At the time I wanted Gaal out. His football was dull as dishwater but there were principles that you can see aligning to how the top sides play. High press, retention of the ball, making the pitch as big as possible. Our performance at Anfield under him was the best I've ever seen us play there.

He wasn't blameless and time softens your memory, but perhaps if he'd been able to add more creativity to the side itd have made that subtle but crucial difference between a side that kept the ball but looked toothless, to one that could cut you open and then control games with the ball.

It's done though. We need to look forward.

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:30 pm
by lkhmffsstopmovingabout
gaal laid the foundations, so really this is all his fault tbf

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:24 am
by dozer
People are forgetting how crap Gaal was. And like most managers who failed, most of his signings were crap.

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:39 am
by fat maradona
lkhmffsstopmovingabout wrote:
1 year ago
gaal laid the foundations, so really this is all his fault tbf
Taggart laid the foundations way back, when he ass kissed the Glazers and didn't maintain the quality of the squad. Moyes and his successors all inherited a shite squad with a couple of decent players. So yeh, I blame Fergie for all this shite since we last won the league.

Problem with the LVG brand of football, we were too used to Fergie style and wanted more of the same and couldn't see that different could be as good or better. And so chased him out of town, thinking that Mourinho style would be better but we all knew, deep down, that Mourinho style didn't suit the club or fans. Anyway....

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:18 am
by Sid
ashleyfuckingyoung wrote:
1 year ago
Didn't Pep model a lot of his coaching philosophy on Van Gaal?

At the time I wanted Gaal out. His football was dull as dishwater but there were principles that you can see aligning to how the top sides play. High press, retention of the ball, making the pitch as big as possible. Our performance at Anfield under him was the best I've ever seen us play there.

He wasn't blameless and time softens your memory, but perhaps if he'd been able to add more creativity to the side itd have made that subtle but crucial difference between a side that kept the ball but looked toothless, to one that could cut you open and then control games with the ball.

It's done though. We need to look forward.
Yeah, so did Mourinho... both went off in vastly different directions. But the work Gaal did in the 90s with that Ajax team is one of the game changing moments in football, like total football, tiki taka etc and many have drawn ideas from it.

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:28 am
by Sid
fat maradona wrote:
1 year ago
lkhmffsstopmovingabout wrote:
1 year ago
gaal laid the foundations, so really this is all his fault tbf
Taggart laid the foundations way back, when he ass kissed the Glazers and didn't maintain the quality of the squad. Moyes and his successors all inherited a shite squad with a couple of decent players. So yeh, I blame Fergie for all this shite since we last won the league.

Problem with the LVG brand of football, we were too used to Fergie style and wanted more of the same and couldn't see that different could be as good or better. And so chased him out of town, thinking that Mourinho style would be better but we all knew, deep down, that Mourinho style didn't suit the club or fans. Anyway....
I got 2 years of grief for pointing this out. During the Gaal rage I said we need to decide what we want from United, and the answer I got was attacking football, The United Way etc. Then you all backed fucking Mourinho :))

So I said but he plays shit football, and I got set upon for 2 and a half years - while we played shit football - resulting in bans and cowards like Alf running away. Now we're back to square one. It's been a long 5 years but it's nice to be vindicated :D

Now we're fucking shite I can pose the question again without being set upon - what do you want from United? Tbf we're not in a luxury position to talk about styles or philosophies, it's just a case of getting back into the top 4.

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:47 am
by fat maradona
Sid wrote:
1 year ago
fat maradona wrote:
1 year ago
lkhmffsstopmovingabout wrote:
1 year ago
gaal laid the foundations, so really this is all his fault tbf
Taggart laid the foundations way back, when he ass kissed the Glazers and didn't maintain the quality of the squad. Moyes and his successors all inherited a shite squad with a couple of decent players. So yeh, I blame Fergie for all this shite since we last won the league.

Problem with the LVG brand of football, we were too used to Fergie style and wanted more of the same and couldn't see that different could be as good or better. And so chased him out of town, thinking that Mourinho style would be better but we all knew, deep down, that Mourinho style didn't suit the club or fans. Anyway....
I got 2 years of grief for pointing this out. During the Gaal rage I said we need to decide what we want from United, and the answer I got was attacking football, The United Way etc. Then you all backed fucking Mourinho :))

So I said but he plays shit football, and I got set upon for 2 and a half years - while we played shit football - resulting in bans and cowards like Alf running away. Now we're back to square one. It's been a long 5 years but it's nice to be vindicated :D

Now we're fucking shite I can pose the question again without being set upon - what do you want from United? Tbf we're not in a luxury position to talk about styles or philosophies, it's just a case of getting back into the top 4.
Agreed, to be able to compete for top 4 consistently would be good. We were spoilt by top 2 finishes for 2 decades but it's not sustainable.

It'd be good for United to realise that the set up is old fashioned, to move ahead with the times and have a proper structure in place. The problem won't be fixed by throwing money at the squad alone.

Tbf, I was never an advocate of either successor to Moyes. I couldn't understand why we hadn't gone for Tuchel or Poch after Moyes but it went to show just how much United lacked a plan for the future.

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:05 pm
by Lazarus
Sid wrote:
1 year ago
fat maradona wrote:
1 year ago
lkhmffsstopmovingabout wrote:
1 year ago
gaal laid the foundations, so really this is all his fault tbf
Taggart laid the foundations way back, when he ass kissed the Glazers and didn't maintain the quality of the squad. Moyes and his successors all inherited a shite squad with a couple of decent players. So yeh, I blame Fergie for all this shite since we last won the league.

Problem with the LVG brand of football, we were too used to Fergie style and wanted more of the same and couldn't see that different could be as good or better. And so chased him out of town, thinking that Mourinho style would be better but we all knew, deep down, that Mourinho style didn't suit the club or fans. Anyway....
I got 2 years of grief for pointing this out. During the Gaal rage I said we need to decide what we want from United, and the answer I got was attacking football, The United Way etc. Then you all backed fucking Mourinho :))

So I said but he plays shit football, and I got set upon for 2 and a half years - while we played shit football - resulting in bans and cowards like Alf running away. Now we're back to square one. It's been a long 5 years but it's nice to be vindicated :D

Now we're fucking shite I can pose the question again without being set upon - what do you want from United? Tbf we're not in a luxury position to talk about styles or philosophies, it's just a case of getting back into the top 4.
Yo! Slow your roll. ........backed Mourinho......

I decided years ago what i want from United and nobody has done it. Us deciding what we want has fuck all to do with how we play or what happens. Either Ole will start improving us or he won't.

Re: Louis Van Gaal

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:06 pm
by Sid
Lazarus wrote:
1 year ago
Sid wrote:
1 year ago
fat maradona wrote:
1 year ago
lkhmffsstopmovingabout wrote:
1 year ago
gaal laid the foundations, so really this is all his fault tbf
Taggart laid the foundations way back, when he ass kissed the Glazers and didn't maintain the quality of the squad. Moyes and his successors all inherited a shite squad with a couple of decent players. So yeh, I blame Fergie for all this shite since we last won the league.

Problem with the LVG brand of football, we were too used to Fergie style and wanted more of the same and couldn't see that different could be as good or better. And so chased him out of town, thinking that Mourinho style would be better but we all knew, deep down, that Mourinho style didn't suit the club or fans. Anyway....
I got 2 years of grief for pointing this out. During the Gaal rage I said we need to decide what we want from United, and the answer I got was attacking football, The United Way etc. Then you all backed fucking Mourinho :))

So I said but he plays shit football, and I got set upon for 2 and a half years - while we played shit football - resulting in bans and cowards like Alf running away. Now we're back to square one. It's been a long 5 years but it's nice to be vindicated :D

Now we're fucking shite I can pose the question again without being set upon - what do you want from United? Tbf we're not in a luxury position to talk about styles or philosophies, it's just a case of getting back into the top 4.
Yo! Slow your roll. ........backed Mourinho......

I decided years ago what i want from United and nobody has done it. Us deciding what we want has fuck all to do with how we play or what happens. Either Ole will start improving us or he won't.
Yeah you've remained consistent, Laz. Do you still want attacking football or would you sacrifice it just want to be in the top 4? Things have got worse since the last time I asked.