OGS.....

[fat maradona]

I think the key point is that Baggins seems to lack any real ambition. You can see it in his lineups, his substitutions, the way he panics and parks the bus instead of pressing on...
He might be a jolly nice chap, but he isn't up to the job of United manager.

We didn't park the bus against Everton, we scored 3 goals and pressed them all game, high up the pitch. They had 3 shots on target and scored 3 goals. It was defensive shitness, again, that cost us.

I don't see him lacking ambition either. He obviously loves United and would love to win the league as manager as well as a player. He lacks a gameplan, that's the biggest problem. We still don't really have a clear philosophy.

These "philosophy" managers have only fucked us after spending shitloads of money.
Gaal bought proper crap and played the most boring football ever known creating close to zero chances with almost 100% possession.
Jose bought expensive "specialists" who were supposed to be great in one position but he bought players who were specialists at crap. And he played scramble ball which was at least better than Gaal ball but still crap.

All managers have a philosophy. Call it a plan, an idea, whatever, they have one. We don't.

Aye, spot on. All managers have an 'idea/notion' of the kind of manager they want to be and the kind of football they want their teams to be playing.

Folks love slating LVG but he has pedigree and track record. The philosophies that he imbedded at his previous clubs allowed for a generation of success. Not all his doing mind but it added to the whole. Fergie bought some duffers during his early years and we didn't exactly play the best football but over time, his philosophy became what United are now known for. If we had given LVG his three years, we would have been in a much better place today.

Ole's philosophy seems to be recreating the United of the late 90's/early 00's.....all very well but football has moved on massively since then.

[swampash]

Yes, Ole has a philosophy...
https://www.tolkienshop.com/contents/me ... osophy.jpg

[Sid]

Yes, Ole has a philosophy...
https://www.tolkienshop.com/contents/me ... osophy.jpg

[brianofnazarethffs]

Does Ole have a ruthless streak...

[swampash]

I'm not sure I give a fuck anymore.
40 years a United supporter and I now struggle to bring myself to watch a game.
Even in the deepest period of LVG, Moyes and Mourinho I still wouldn’t have wanted to miss a game. But this current level of utter managerial incompetence is something else.

[Sid]

I'm not sure I give a fuck anymore.
40 years a United supporter and I now struggle to bring myself to watch a game.
Even in the deepest period of LVG, Moyes and Mourinho I still wouldn’t have wanted to miss a game. But this current level of utter managerial incompetence is something else.

We're second Swamps, and still in the FA Cup. And while we are fatally flawed, we do play good football at times and score brilliant goals.

But yeah I can understand your resignation. It's the accumulation of the last 7/8 years which have been shite. But this is as good as it's been in that time, but at the same time it feels more hopeless than ever.

[Edfuckingwoodward]

For me, its the blatant disregard to solve the root of our problems. We've needed a proper DoF/Recruitment structure in place for 4 years of more. We've still done fuck all about it.

[fat maradona]

I'm not sure I give a fuck anymore.
40 years a United supporter and I now struggle to bring myself to watch a game.
Even in the deepest period of LVG, Moyes and Mourinho I still wouldn’t have wanted to miss a game. But this current level of utter managerial incompetence is something else.

We're second Swamps, and still in the FA Cup. And while we are fatally flawed, we do play good football at times and score brilliant goals.

But yeah I can understand your resignation. It's the accumulation of the last 7/8 years which have been shite. But this is as good as it's been in that time, but at the same time it feels more hopeless than ever.

And that's exactly it....false promises, delusions of wanting to be properly run on the footballing side, blatant acceptance of mediocrity etc etc. Ambition has been sucked out of the club and substituted with maintaining dividends in it's place.

[bman2]

Yeah, in respects things are better now than they were under the previous managers. Results are a bit better than under Gaal, and the football is more entertaining than under Mourinho. But I think I’m not the only one who has just wanted to see some forward momentum. To feel that the club was going somewhere. When Klopp took over at Liverpool, the results first season or two were mediocre, didn’t finish top four. But there was still some buzz because you could see in the way they played that there was a plan, and it was a better of time and a few signings before they were competitive again.

I’ve never been in favour of Ole taking over the permanent job. I like the guy, he’s a legend, and he fights for the club. But the reality is that he’s just not a good enough manager in 2021. You need to be tactically sharper, that’s just how the game has changed. We can laugh at “philosophies”, but it’s mostly the philosophy managers winning everything.

Ole is playing to the team’s weaknesses — most clearly by organizing everything around Maguire’s slow shitness. A manager like Klopp would play the way he wanted, and if Maguire or anyone else wasn’t up to it, he’d play whoever he had in the squad that could do the job the best, until he could hire someone better.

It would be different if the club had hired an ace D of F to back Ole up. Then at least we’d be canny with signings, not to mention hiring coaching staff and the like. The signings have been no better than before. Maguire is a bigger dud than Pogba for almost the same money. James doesn’t play. Beek doesn’t play. We have had a couple of good signings, but they were more expensive and done later than they needed to be. Fernandes must be our best signing in a decade, but any fan on a forum would have signed him months before the club did. Was it smart to dump Lukaku for Martial? Obviously not. Goals matter. Was is smart to dump Smalling and sign Maguire for 80M? Is Maguire 80M better than Smalling? 50M better than Lindelof? I’m not convinced he’s better than either of them.

But Ole doesn’t give Woodward grief, the fans sing Ole at the wheel, so why should they be arsed doing anything more than the minimum. When we were top of the league table, did anyone actually expect it to last or for us to mount a credible challenger?

[FuB]

We can all see that there's some amount of progress compared to previous management regimes. The frustration comes from knowing we've probably hit the limit of Ole's capabilities and we've long since hit the limit of the Glazer's aspirations. There's no comparison between treating United as a business investment where just getting the juicier Champions League money is enough and that of a fan who wants to win at all costs.

Ole, whether by luck or judgement, has certainly got United looking more like a rough diamond in need of polishing. The sad thing there is that, instead of being a notable jeweller, he generally seems like a have a go Joe with some cheap powertools from Lidl.