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somehow we’ve managed to have a worse window than Chelsea without a transfer ban
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We’re paying more than half his salary still. How bad an influence could he have been to make this worth it?
Yeah we're still paying him more not to play for us than almost every other footballer is paid to play for their club, including footballers at big clubs.
previously, however, we were paying his full salary for him to do literally fuck all and spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch... oh, and make a film
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FuB wrote:
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bman2 wrote:
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marlon wrote:
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We’re paying more than half his salary still. How bad an influence could he have been to make this worth it?
Yeah we're still paying him more not to play for us than almost every other footballer is paid to play for their club, including footballers at big clubs.
previously, however, we were paying his full salary for him to do literally fuck all and spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch... oh, and make a film
Well at least we aren't paying him to play for a rival. Inter are a Champions League club.
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marlon wrote:
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We’re paying more than half his salary still. How bad an influence could he have been to make this worth it?
He caused havoc at Arsenal with his refusing to train, sulking, and blaming everyone else on the pitch when he was the one that fucked up.

Again, why sign a cunt like that
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bman2 wrote:
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FuB wrote:
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bman2 wrote:
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marlon wrote:
7 months ago
We’re paying more than half his salary still. How bad an influence could he have been to make this worth it?
Yeah we're still paying him more not to play for us than almost every other footballer is paid to play for their club, including footballers at big clubs.
previously, however, we were paying his full salary for him to do literally fuck all and spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch... oh, and make a film
Well at least we aren't paying him to play for a rival. Inter are a Champions League club.
Bothers you now Bman this whole Sanchez thing. Nothing bothered you about signing him if you look at the first page of this thread, even though a few of us tried to point out that the move might not be all that.
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Lazarus wrote:
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bman2 wrote:
7 months ago
FuB wrote:
7 months ago
bman2 wrote:
7 months ago
marlon wrote:
7 months ago
We’re paying more than half his salary still. How bad an influence could he have been to make this worth it?
Yeah we're still paying him more not to play for us than almost every other footballer is paid to play for their club, including footballers at big clubs.
previously, however, we were paying his full salary for him to do literally fuck all and spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch... oh, and make a film
Well at least we aren't paying him to play for a rival. Inter are a Champions League club.
Bothers you now Bman this whole Sanchez thing. Nothing bothered you about signing him if you look at the first page of this thread, even though a few of us tried to point out that the move might not be all that.
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Yeah we're still paying him more not to play for us than almost every other footballer is paid to play for their club, including footballers at big clubs.
previously, however, we were paying his full salary for him to do literally fuck all and spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch... oh, and make a film
Well at least we aren't paying him to play for a rival. Inter are a Champions League club.
Bothers you now Bman this whole Sanchez thing. Nothing bothered you about signing him if you look at the first page of this thread, even though a few of us tried to point out that the move might not be all that.
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7 months ago

I really don’t have too much of a problem with Sanchez going but I have a real problem with our lack of depth, or more accurately our total lack of depth. It also pisses me off that we have not solved the Sanchez problem, he will have to have a better season than Messi and CR7 combined for Inter to even think about signing him - so all we have done is to put the Sanchez problem on hold until next year.

Give the youngsters a chance, has gone from a philosophy to desperate attempt to see out the season.
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This is from the new for-pay site, Te Athletic. Someone posted it on reddit:

The last time Alexis Sanchez played for Manchester United was on August 21. It was a behind-closed-doors friendly at Carrington against a Sheffield United team containing veteran duo Phil Jagielka, 37, and Richard Stearman, 32, in defence. As has so often been the case during a tortuous 19-month spell in Manchester, Sanchez failed to score.

The hosts won the game 3-1 but the goals came from Andreas Pereira, Mason Greenwood and Angel Gomes, three academy products with major first-team ambitions this season. They are symbolic of the way Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wants to proceed at Manchester United. Sanchez is not.

The fixture was organised to provide minutes for players short on match sharpness, which included Sanchez after he returned from the Copa America with a hamstring injury. Juan Mata, Chris Smalling, Phil Jones and Nemanja Matic were among the others who featured. That profile of team-mate raised a fleeting thought Sanchez might yet be considered for the first team at Old Trafford once he had worked his way to full fitness.

In truth, his departure has been a matter of time all summer. A week on from that game Sanchez’s loan deal to Inter Milan has been completed and an unhappy union severed — at least for the next ten months.

It is understood United will pay around £6 million of Sanchez’s salary while he is at the San Siro, which accounts for around 40 percent of his wage during that period. Inter will pick up the majority of his £16 million wage, while sources in Italy have told The Athletic that Sanchez may even have waived parts of bonuses to get the move agreed.

That tallies with those familiar with the negotiations, who say Sanchez was so desperate to leave United that he was contemplating a reduction in wages to make it happen — even if, ideally, he wanted a permanent transfer.

For their part, United will feel they have secured a good deal when set against original suggestions in June, when talks began, that they would have to foot three-quarters of the bill (around £12 million).

There is also no option to buy for Inter so United maintain control of the situation should Sanchez somehow reprise the form that once made him such a force in the Premier League. United executives may look on ruefully if he scores 15 goals in Serie A but they could then theoretically generate an auction for his services next summer. A £25 million fee would be plausible — however wishful at this stage. “Nobody would pay money with him sitting on the bench,” said one agent.

Critics may argue United putting £6 million in the bank account of somebody playing for another club is bad business whatever the context. But given the atmosphere a poorly-performing Sanchez carried with him, having the 30-year-old away from the training ground is what Solskjaer wished.

Sanchez cut an isolated figure at Carrington. He performed his duties but declined to interact much with team-mates, bar Romelu Lukaku, who moved to Inter earlier this summer. Any small sense of camaraderie was undermined by those colossal wages, which could reach £560,000 per week with all add-ons included.

Sanchez was in mind when a United insider told The Athletic a month ago: “Ole needs to get certain players out. He’s trying to change the culture, but that takes time. He wants to sign players who are on an upward trajectory.”

Sanchez kept to himself at Arsenal too. A source with with close links to the Emirates had a fairly abrupt opinion on Sanchez when asked this week. “Pain in the arse,” was the response.

At Arsenal there were cliques within the dressing room but Sanchez rarely belonged. Santi Cazorla and Nacho Monreal were natural bedfellows as Spanish speakers but Sanchez did not socialise regularly with any of his peers. In the dressing room, he was a quiet presence who became agitated after games.

One source says: “He did not have friends at Arsenal. He was one of those players who, if we won 1-0 and he had not scored, would come into the dressing room and kick things. If he’d scored twice but we’d lost, he’d be absolutely fine. He did not mix with the players. He rarely, if ever, came into the players’ lounge after games.”

His friend and fixer, Mauro, who has lived with Sanchez in Manchester, would watch games in the Arsenal players’ lounge. Sometimes, an elderly lady would also be present, who most presumed to be Sanchez’s mother. Yet even when his nearest and dearest were in attendance, Sanchez would not mix and mingle afterwards, ushering them to the door and heading for the car park.

At United, due to the size of the club, the players’ lounge is less of a culture. After the weekend loss against Crystal Palace, new signings Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Daniel James and Harry Maguire all headed into the family and friends area, posed for photographs and stayed for over an hour. This, they presumed, was the norm but most others steered clear. Paul Pogba was there, having invited the boxer Deontay Wilder. Maguire is said to have looked devastated by the Palace result.

Sanchez was allowed to stay away from Old Trafford at the weekend, The Athletic understands, as discussions over his move edged closer. But Smalling, who was not in the squad either, took time before kick-off to sign autographs for fans waiting by the South Stand entrance as the team bus pulled up.

Sanchez’s relationship with both the players and the coaching staff never did take off at United. The very public airing of his salary — estimated at 30 percent more than the next highest earner — had a direct impact on United’s ongoing negotiations with David De Gea. Some feel the goalkeeper’s form has also been affected by the contractual uncertainty.

Mino Raiola felt his client Pogba was unfairly paid in comparison to Sanchez, while every representative of a United player who has since entered contract talks will have raised the Chile international’s salary as a barometer of their own client’s value. Ander Herrera left after not getting the pay rise he desired.

Accommodating Sanchez on the pitch was also problematic. His United league debut in a 2-0 defeat at Tottenham on January 31 saw Pogba substituted then dropped for the first time, while Anthony Martial was jettisoned having scored three goals in four games before Sanchez’s arrival. Martial didn’t score again that campaign.

In a dressing room fuelled by loathing and resentment under Jose Mourinho, life became uncomfortable for Sanchez. One source close to the player says the manager often referred to Sanchez as merely “Chileno”, rather than by his name. Two sources have also given accounts of Mourinho raising Sanchez’s extortionate wage package — once in front of team-mates — in a bid to provoke a reaction from the player. A spokesperson for Mourinho declined to comment when contacted by The Athletic.

There is understandable concern that Sanchez’s exit, so soon after Lukaku’s, leaves United very light on attacking options. Martial’s injury only increased the anxiety, but United pressed ahead regardless.

Sanchez’s performances across 45 matches drew the conclusion that very little would be missed by his exit. He has scored five goals for United and his overall statistics led coaches to believe his best days were behind him. He registered 580 touches last season in the Premier League (ranking 18th among the United squad), had a pass completion rate of 74.61 per cent (only four players had worse) and scored a goal every 877 minutes. Scott McTominay, Herrera, and Pereira had better ratios.

He was out injured for 124 days. “He has a lot of miles on the clock,” said a source. “I wonder if Arsenal got the last drops from him.”

Countering that is the opinion of a manager who has won three titles in Italy and one in England. Antonio Conte’s exacting standards and his desire to have Sanchez at Inter offer some perspective. Sanchez performed well for Chile at Copa America, scoring twice in 494 minutes, but picked up a niggle in the third-place play-off with Argentina and limped out early.
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If he had a bad attitude at Arsenal, you would have thought the football insiders, including Mourinho, would have known about it? It’s odd. Whatever you might say about him, Jose does at least sign players with winning, committed attitudes.
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