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So we'll get an election if parliament vote down this timetable. Labour rebels who vote for it are explicitly keeping a tory government in power and should really be binned
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So we'll get an election if parliament vote down this timetable. Labour rebels who vote for it are explicitly keeping a tory government in power and should really be binned
That's the liberal remainer view, and it's deceitful because you know full well labour aren't winning an election if it's fought over brexit. The only time labour will win is after brexit when the focus goes back to domestic policy, because that's were they destroy the tories.

So that's how remainers can end Corbyn's socialist experiment.

Corbyn should prioritise socialists over brexit. And socialists should put socialism before brexit. But alas for many socalled lefties socialism is a mere identity.
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That's what they said last time and the election wasn't fought over brexit. If Johnson pushes his deal in an election he'll lose plenty of no-deal voters to the brexit party. Even if Corbyn went after an election, a left wing MP would only need 10% of the PLP to get to the membership who clearly aren't nostalgic for new labour.

And I can't believe you still refuse to see that brexit is a far right project. And where was the socialism in Corbyn's brexit policy where he wanted to stay in the single market for the free movement of capital but not people. We shouldn't place Corbyn as some untouchable leader on whom the whole movement relies.
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That's what they said last time and the election wasn't fought over brexit. If Johnson pushes his deal in an election he'll lose plenty of no-deal voters to the brexit party. Even if Corbyn went after an election, a left wing MP would only need 10% of the PLP to get to the membership who clearly aren't nostalgic for new labour.

And I can't believe you still refuse to see that brexit is a far right project. And where was the socialism in Corbyn's brexit policy where he wanted to stay in the single market for the free movement of capital but not people. We shouldn't place Corbyn as some untouchable leader on whom the whole movement relies.
This brexit is a far right project but your liberal remainer ignorance to the left who've historically supported brexit as well, particularly socialists, is comparable to far right's ignorance over facts. I've posted tons of examples why Benn, Crow and Corbyn have opposed the EU for decades. How can socialists build socialism when the EU doesn't allow state monopolies on services?

Corbyn's brexit deal was a compromise to appease the neolib centrists in the party who generally want to remain. That's why I said socialists should focus on socialism not anything else. We need to see politics in ideologies - and reject the refined version of capitalism, neoliberalism, like they are in chile and ecuador. Stop backing this ruinous ideology that destroyed my working class community in hull, and vast swathes of the earth and oceans, whether it's tory state led or EU state led.

"Corbyn isn't untouchable" is literally the line liberal remainers who want an end to the socialist labour experiment use. It's code for 'I did well under the last 40 years of neoliberalism, get another blairite in'
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The “we need Brexit for nationalisations” line is demonstrably bullshit and has never fooled anyone who actually is acquainted with how the world works.

A Brexiter is always a Brexiter first, Corbyn included. Thats how little englanderism is. That’s how he ends up supporting the most right wing policy imaginable, through some tortured logic.

Corbyn has been anti-European integration for decades because he grew up on student politics and Soviet agitprop, and never grew out of it. I don’t have the link handy, but look at that video of him speaking in Dublin about 10 years ago, banging on about the “European empire”. It’s fucking pitiful. He can’t even figure out that Soviet agitprop against the EEC doesn’t even make sense with respect to the EU, which is why he has nothing to say on Brexit, because whenever he opens his mouth on the subject everybody right across the political spectrum laughs at him. The reality is that he sold out Britain’s workers and Britain’s youth in a desperate effort to get into number 10, and it doesn’t even look like it’s going to work out.
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Looks like labour will back a general election before christmas, which they'll do poorly in because of brexit, then the labour centrists can proclaim the end of Corbyn-mania and get a blairite back in and start shutting down libraries in hull again and start deporting immigrants
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The “we need Brexit for nationalisations” line is demonstrably bullshit and has never fooled anyone who actually is acquainted with how the world works.

A Brexiter is always a Brexiter first, Corbyn included. Thats how little englanderism is. That’s how he ends up supporting the most right wing policy imaginable, through some tortured logic.

Corbyn has been anti-European integration for decades because he grew up on student politics and Soviet agitprop, and never grew out of it. I don’t have the link handy, but look at that video of him speaking in Dublin about 10 years ago, banging on about the “European empire”. It’s fucking pitiful. He can’t even figure out that Soviet agitprop against the EEC doesn’t even make sense with respect to the EU, which is why he has nothing to say on Brexit, because whenever he opens his mouth on the subject everybody right across the political spectrum laughs at him. The reality is that he sold out Britain’s workers and Britain’s youth in a desperate effort to get into number 10, and it doesn’t even look like it’s going to work out.
You’ve not demonstrated anything. I showed you the specific line in the EUs 4th rail package that clearly says full nationalisation is not allowed in regards to train services, and you just came back with “hahaha” - cos you have nothing but arrogance.

On Corbyn’s apparent racism - labour’s refined immigration policies shit on the liberals. I don’t disagree the left is racist but liberals are fucking worse. They're cosying up to fash, carrying out mass deportations and privatising the migrant genocide they created. They don't even rehome the people they massacre in iraq, afghanistan, old colonial nations which they still exploit

You need to ditch this idea that liberalism is some sensible enlightened belief system, when it all it does is prop up capitalism, violence and oppressive attitudes.

The pair of you need to stop trying to justify voting for a super right wing neoliberal austerity party in the lib dems because of brexit. You're basically voting tory, and therefore have to take the inevitable flak that comes your way.
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Really can't see an election sorting brexit
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Really can't see an election sorting brexit
Pandora's Box has been opened. There'll come a time when everybody on all sides will be begging to find a middle ground because the divisions between communities, families, political parties, North South, Scotland, N.I., Ireland, Europe will be costing far too much. But it will take bloodshed and social breakdown to make those profitting from the bullshit stop it. And let's face it, look at the rest of the world atm social breakdown is breaking out everywhere, and the powers that be let it go pretty far before they reign it in by giving concessions. Same as it ever was....

Over here is like an angry red swollen spot just waiting to pop depending on one decision or the other.

The election will be like a plaster on a shotgun wound.
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