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No you had the stickies, the official IRA, then they called a Catholic soldier and people were up on arms and they came out and said we are Marxisys etc so go fuck then the Providionals split off and became the boys you know today and waged the main war. They were more about winning and their politicians were more about equality and promoting nationalist rights.

We haven't got to left or right yet Sid that's why I rake you about when you say Tory etc.

We haven't finished beating the shite out of each other over nothing to focus on traditional politics, labour guy who I thought was going to be the protest vote got no seats I think, greens get a very few, Alliance get a couple but it's purely Protestant and Catholic parties to call it legit tbf
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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...need to be very wary of those preaching socialism with nationalism Sid. Remember Germany...
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits...
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swampash wrote:...need to be very wary of those preaching socialism with nationalism Sid. Remember Germany...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 86455.html

A good read,if you have time. Bear in mind it only discusses one chapter of the book. A counter balance to this view is probably 'Liberalism:A Counter-History' by Domenico Losurdo.
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swampash wrote:I get what you are saying but, am nevertheless, confused and somewhat worried. The last thing we want to see is a return to the troubles of the past.
Also, if the brexit campaign was about pulling up the drawbridge on little England, how does that work if you have a porous border in NI between the UK and the Republic? Surely any gypo who wants to get into the UK will still be able to do so by going via NI?
I don't think the EU has the power to order a member state to 'harden' up its borders. That would have to come from either the Irish or British governments and you would think that if one did it,the other would follow suit. It is in neithers interest to make crossing any harder. The worst that may happen is stricter passport control.
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Lol there is no passport control, there are no checkpoints, I know loads of people who have citizenship on both sides and every cubt near the border uses red diesel, no one gives a fuck!

The busiest Tesco is near the border in the North when the Euro is strong hahaha
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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Steggo wrote:
swampash wrote:...need to be very wary of those preaching socialism with nationalism Sid. Remember Germany...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 86455.html

A good read,if you have time. Bear in mind it only discusses one chapter of the book. A counter balance to this view is probably 'Liberalism:A Counter-History' by Domenico Losurdo.
I'm not having that book tbf
The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists", meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.
He wanted to preserve property, so that's not socialism/communism for me. He wanted the old bourgeoise to maintain its power because it was compatible with fascism. He was maintaining the class structure. Actual marxists would strip them of their property for the good of all. This would probably end in civil war as the rich and powerful want to maintain their power, but that's what's necessary.

And I would imagine Hitler read Marx because it is/was required reading for its analysis of capitalism - a system he supported. Cock this:

"In a meeting with German business leaders in 1933, Hitler declared that “democracy” (i.e., actual parliamentary control) was fundamentally incompatible with a free-market capitalist economy, a truth far more widely acknowledged in that era. Following Hitler’s speech, Göring presented the Nazi case in blunt terms: support the Nazi party and parliamentary democracy would end. The threat to free enterprise from communism, socialism, organized labor, and even basic formal democracy would be over. Göring concluded: “the sacrifices asked for […] would be so much easier for industry to bear if it realized that the election of March 5th will surely be the last one for the next 10 years, probably even for the next 100 years.” These “sacrifices” were the millions of Deutsche marks that Schacht proceeded to collect from the room. — Ajay Singh Chaudhary, Raphaële Chappe - The Supermanagerial Reich

And right marxism preaches internationalism. How can a german worker be free if a bangladeshi worker isn't. It's one global class under the global system of captialism. And that's incompatible with Hitler's eugenics shite which preaches that one race is superior to another. He didn't see a working class and bourgeoise like a marxian scholar would, he saw slavs, blacks, jews, and he wanted to kill them all even though they were german, even though they were of the working class. He also persecuted trans people n all because they saw it as a threat to patriarchy - even though they were german and working class.

He might have called himself a socialist but he wasn't. Political terms are just dodgy as fuck. It's like how the right have adopted the term libertarian. It used to be associated with left wing anti state stuff, but now the right have got hold of it it means less rules an regulations, so better for business, the employers, not the employee.
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We just call it brickationslism
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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