General Election December 12th

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swampash wrote:
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Strewth Sid, read my post properly and digest what I said.
I did and can't find the answers. Why would you vote to make me / you pay for healthcare, to put barriers for our kids to go to uni, to decimate schools and transport? How is that what's best for britain?

Being in the eu changes jack. We've been in the eu for thr last decade of austerity, and last 4 decades of neolib policy, and they didn't rescue us.

How is cuts and profit over people better than a nationalised NHS, investment on infrastructure, better schools and more jobs?

It smacks of someone who wants social liberalism with right wing economics aka modern thatcherism. Thatcherism without section 28.
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I though my original post was pretty straightforward Sid, but if you really need it spelling out:

1. I see Brexit as an existential threat to the UK and an exercise in economic self-harm. I am fundamentally opposed to both
2. Voting for the Tories will result in Brexit
3. Voting for Labour will also result in Brexit, as much of the manifesto agenda is incompatible with remaining in the EU. Hence my view, already expressed, that Corbyn is a closet Brexiteer
4. The Lib Dems are not going to form the next government, so their agenda and record is fairly immaterial this time around; but by voting for them I can at least express my sincere opposition to Brexit
5. There is much wrong with the EU, but I would rather see the UK stay in and fight to reform it

It's really that simple Sid.
You may not like or agree with my rationale, but It's my honestly expressed opinion in response to your question.
I am delighted to hear that you voted. As you know from previous exchanges, that you voted is perhaps more important that how you voted.
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Devastating exit poll

Goodbye NHS
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More fool us for putting our faith in a political solution tbf. It has to be radical from now.
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swampash wrote:
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I though my original post was pretty straightforward Sid, but if you really need it spelling out:

1. I see Brexit as an existential threat to the UK and an exercise in economic self-harm. I am fundamentally opposed to both
2. Voting for the Tories will result in Brexit
3. Voting for Labour will also result in Brexit, as much of the manifesto agenda is incompatible with remaining in the EU. Hence my view, already expressed, that Corbyn is a closet Brexiteer
4. The Lib Dems are not going to form the next government, so their agenda and record is fairly immaterial this time around; but by voting for them I can at least express my sincere opposition to Brexit
5. There is much wrong with the EU, but I would rather see the UK stay in and fight to reform it

It's really that simple Sid.
You may not like or agree with my rationale, but It's my honestly expressed opinion in response to your question.
I am delighted to hear that you voted. As you know from previous exchanges, that you voted is perhaps more important that how you voted.
I'll read that properly tomorrow. But mate:

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson looks set to lose her seat, according to the exit poll, as her party faces a dismal showing in the general election.

Though Lib Dem numbers in the Commons swelled before the election to 21 aided by MPs crossing the floor, the exit poll predicts the Lib Dems will win 13 seats – just one more than it did in 2017.
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Terrible night for the UK.
Scotland is surely lost. And NI?
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Labour should have stuck to leave but the centrists pulled em right and that meant their working class vote felt cheated, again, by the state, whose done nothing but fuck em for the last 40 years
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7 months ago

Thoroughly depressing.
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Here's the thing, socialism doesn't die with Corbyn. The socialists can carry on ditching the blairites and make labour a party the times require.

But they've a hell of a job on their hands now the centrists / liberals have come out fighting. Tom Watson is sure to return too. The guardian have smeared Corbyn for 3 years, and now they're putting the boot in worse than the right wing rags. Whoever takes over can expect the same treatment. Attacks from all sides cos they want to build council houses again. Madness.
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swampash wrote:
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Terrible night for the UK.
Scotland is surely lost. And NI?
Scotland won't get a ref. It's a great example of how shit FPTP is though. 80% of the seats with 45% of the vote
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